the 2013 edition of the new world translation renders 2 kings 17:1 as:.
in the 12th year of king ahaz of judah, hoshea the son of elah became king over israel in samaria; he ruled for nine years.. this is in fact a better rendering than the previous nwt, which stated:.
in the twelfth year of ahaz the king of judah, hoshea the son of elah became king in samaria over israel for nine years.. despite their improved rendering, the watch tower society still claims that hoshea's reign 'really' began in 758 bce, but that it was 'established' in the 12th year of ahaz.
hallowed king James? may be according to those who don't know better, but not that respectable according to scholars who have found many problems with it. It was written at a time when we didn't have at our disposal as many ancient manuscripts and the sophisticated textual criticism that we have today.
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i'm sorry but can someone here explain what this is about.
i saw someone on here called scholar on here saying that it somehow destroyed both coj and hermann hunger but how?
how does rolf furuli know that it was tampered with?
My two cents,
If anyone tampered with VAT4956 they would have had to modify almost every line of the tablet. I believe that Furuli only questioned few places of the tablet. When you test the lunar observations, the planet observations and the time intervals with a modern astronomy program, you realize that in many cases some of those observations can only happen once every several hundreds of years, especially planetary positions. If just one observation is rare, imagine almost all those observations (more than 30) matching within a very small margin of error for the same year (587/586 BCE). The chances of that tablet corresponding to any year other than 587/586 BCE are tiny at best, even if we take out the "suspicious" places pointed by Furuli. He is as dishonest as the Goberning Body. They know they are wrong, but their continuos lying is easier than admitting they are wrong.
starting to feel my time is wasted on here lately and its time to move on.. some of the best, meaty stuff only gets a few hundreds views and as soon as the posts dry up a bit the thread is soon forgotten (usually in a few days) under the constantly falling snowflakes of new threads (many trival) continuously being created and popping up as 'active topics'.
the same core jw related subjects then keep reappearing over and over again as new threads without getting a thorough treatment at the time (eg, there must be at least one 'are jw's a cult' thread started each week on here; 'new light' topics get about 20 new threads started with the quality of analysis spread and diluted over all of them.).
anyone else tend to feel the same way at times?.
This is a great site, but just as many great posters before (e.g. Leolaia), most of us will move on. You know best when is the right time for you. I hope I am getting very close to that day. I got lots of things that I am postponing simply because I spent too much time reading here. Great site (thank you Simon), but life outside of the internet can be even better.
acts 20:28 nwt.
pay attention to yourselves+ and to all the flock, among which the holy spirit has appointed you overseers,+ to shepherd the congregation of god,+ which he purchased with the blood of his own son.
king james and other translations.
Thank you all for your help.
I am reading Misquoting Jesus by Bart Ehrman. That's how I discovered the controversy. I guess is not just a controversy between JW's and the rest, but a controversy even among other religions and bible scholars.
As a lover of history, and a "hater" of religion, I find it ironic that I am quite immersed in the Bible textual criticism and history of Christianity. It is such an interesting subject. Interestingly, most devout christians know little or nothing about it. Here I am, an atheist, ar agnostic, or whatever I am, reading at 1:30 a.m. with great interest about old bible manuscripts, scribes of antiquity and ante-nicene fathers, while my JW's brothers with their 25 plus years of reading the Bible know squat about the subject. Oh my God, the irony!
acts 20:28 nwt.
pay attention to yourselves+ and to all the flock, among which the holy spirit has appointed you overseers,+ to shepherd the congregation of god,+ which he purchased with the blood of his own son.
king james and other translations.
Acts 20:28 NWT
Pay attention to yourselves+ and to all the flock, among which the holy spirit has appointed you overseers,+ to shepherd the congregation of God,+ which he purchased with the blood of his own Son
King James and other translations
Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.
Is this a corruption of the original text or a better translation of the original manuscripts?
in mexico there was a jw family of 8 killed with machetes it's very heartbreaking!
the problem i have is why does the wbats not make a mention of things like this in the yearbook!!!
they will tell you about how a brothers chickens didn't die and how jehovah must have blessed him... but if a whole family is killed where is the mention of jehovah now??????????????????????????????????????
I am no fan of the Goberning Body or the WT writers, but not including this story in the year book wouldn't necessarily be a sign of callousness or any other serious fault. Thousands of JW's around the world die every year, many rather tragically. Why sholud the WT be dedicating space to them in a short book. They will concentrate on the positive stories, just as every other organization would do, religious or non-religious. I feel that you are making too much out of the story regarding what the WT should do or doesn't do. There's plenty wrong with those SOB, let's not speculate and cavil at every opportunity lest we sound like rabid, petty apostates.
1980 yearbook pp.
61-63 france 1925a critical year.
the year 1925 got off to a good enough start, with the french watch tower magazine being enlarged from 12 to 16 pages.
JW Facts,
Thank ypu for the quote. Where do I find the ful quote?
were you a born in or a convert?.
i loved science so naturally the conversation centered around the topic of evolution.
they placed with me the book did man get here by evolution or by creation?
always glad to read stories like yours. Gives me hopefor my brothers, nephews, nieces and my own children. Fortunately, or unfortunately, they seem to be having a good time as witnesses. They are in a congregation full of good people.
just asking for help from the vast number of very knowledgeable people here.
when was the "stake" doctrine adopted by jw's and what publication contains that information.
thank you..
Leolaia? Say no more. Only God knows how much I miss her.
Thanks Yadda
just asking for help from the vast number of very knowledgeable people here.
when was the "stake" doctrine adopted by jw's and what publication contains that information.
thank you..
Just asking for help from the vast number of very knowledgeable people here. When was the "stake" doctrine adopted by JW's and what publication contains that information. Thank you.
